Curse

cham03 · Jul 01, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

"And on the subject of farming, it's our goal to reduce the perceived need to farm. We'll continue to look into that, so that only those who truly enjoy farming will be doing it, and those who'd rather do something else can do that which they find to be the most fun." - galie gray.

Well its simple, and galie just restated that u must grind to get anywhere in this game. If u want to reduce the need to grind, why not eliminate it; out of pvp at least. PVE characters and pvp chacters are differn't (u have a option to start with!).

Even with the new build there is way to much of a grind of killling in pvp'ing to get any good rewards.

Can't we get rewared for the 25th consecutive win in team areana's, like everyone a rare item or something.

I mean seriously come up with some rewards for being good, rather then just forcing people to log in to get a decent chacter.

If u make a pure pvp chacter, it would take months just to get all the skills/runes unlocked for 2 proffesions.

Reason why it would take Month(s), is the simple base that u cant gather enough points to get them faster.

14points - win for pvp'ing one match in team arenas. 3mins
14X20 - 480 points a hr X 6 hrs (even if u can get on that much) - 2880 points. This means ud have to win 120 match's and do it in 6 hrs.

Ok so 6 hrs of time spent on the game wont even allow u to unlock a ellite skill, yep; close though. You can unlock a minor and a major though, but not a superior rune. So 30days u can unlock 30minors and 30majors, only.

Its simple, plz make differnt rewards for winning rather then unlocking. Maybe give rare items out, for those that can win say 30 rounds in team areana's; like a rare sword or something.

I'd like to recive rewards, not unlock things that should already be implemented into my character (i've beat the game)

It's simple, u can't buy this game; put it in, start a account and log in and start pvp'ing (u can, but it would be a slaughter for u).

Show us that skills means more then a grind. Im tired of lossing to someone becouse they have this skill or this suppeior rune unlocked, but hey at least im the same lv as them!!!

nohooiam · Jul 01, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

this is what happens when u try to combine warcraft 3 with world of warcraft... it just doesnt work...

either do one or keep the two seperated. blizzard had enough brains to realize this...

Theus · Jul 01, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

PVPers wanted a way to get runes and items through PVP..and now they complain about having to Grind to get the points to get them.

As a legendary man once said..

QUIT WHINING!

Dax · Jul 01, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

you can't have your cake and eat it too

Rasp · Jul 01, 2005, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Theus

PVPers wanted a way to get runes and items through PVP..and now they complain about having to Grind to get the points to get them.

As a legendary man once said..

QUIT WHINING!

Agreed.

To the OP, please take the above advice and shut up. Get your parents to shove that golden spoon back down your throat.

Rigorn · Jul 01, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by cham03

Ok so 6 hrs of time spent on the game wont even allow u to unlock a ellite skill, yep; close though. You can unlock a minor and a major though, but not a superior rune. So 30days u can unlock 30minors and 30majors, only.

I guess you could do that and get 30 minors and 30 majors, if you wanted to waste your own time. There are only 28 minor and major runes in the game, though, and I would think you might be able to narrow your objective down to a few classes, rather than unlocking everything for every class in succession. You could at least narrow your focus until you get into the higher end arenas, where you'll be able to unlock everything at a faster rate.

Honestly, the PvP people are just getting annoying as crap. Everything that Anet does for them is, quite simply, never enough for the little princesses... they can't appreciate the recent changes which makes things easier for them, they just have to whine more and more.

Winds of Blood · Jul 01, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

If people have so many complaints, then let them keep it. The majority of the players are satisfied ( atleast I think they are. )

PvPers wanted this, they got this, and now they dont want it.

Next Anet gives them all the possible skills from the start and the next hour the pvpers will be in there ass saying "Whyd you do that?! Now noobs have elites and are ruining the playing field."

Like it or Leave.

Malchiel · Jul 01, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Winds of Blood

If people have so many complaints, then let them keep it. The majority of the players are satisfied ( atleast I think they are. )

PvPers wanted this, they got this, and now they dont want it.

Next Anet gives them all the possible skills from the start and the next hour the pvpers will be in there ass saying "Whyd you do that?! Now noobs have elites and are ruining the playing field."

Like it or Leave.

Agree to this.

Shut the hell up and leave. This kind of threads are getting very annoying and very pointless. Look you don't like tennis, nobody forces you to play one. Go play something else, and quit trolling in the forums too.

Sarus · Jul 01, 2005, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Go play something else, and quit trolling in the forums too.

First of all .... the only people that are trolls are the people that post 1 line replies that amount to "STFU". Although I guess technically your reply is 4 lines

I think what cham03 is trying to point out is that Anet basically added grind to PvP. If you are a PvPer and you look at the patch as getting something for doing what you would have been doing before for nothing then the patch is pretty nice. At least now you get faction which is a whole lot more useful than 26xp everytime you kill someone in PvP.

Unfortunately, if you are a PvPer and you are looking at the patch as a way to avoid PvE entirely then you will be very dissapointed. Anet has basically added grind to PvP potentially allowing you to unlock everything through PvP only. The problem is that the PvP grind is significantly less efficient than the PvE grind. As a PvPer trying to unlock as many skills as possible to provide freedom in build choice your best bet is to still power level a character through ascension and just do the missions.

Essentially the complaint boils down to the fact that PvP only players must still go through the PvE missions multiple times even when they don't want to but PvE only players never have to touch PvP.

As a PvE player how would you like it if the game was based on a system where you could only acquire new skills if you won 25 Arena matches in a row or something along those lines. You'd probably think it was totally unfair and curse and yell at Anet for forcing you to PvP when you didn't want to and then linking rewards to it.

Yes the patch is nice if you just say to youself "Well at least I get something sort of worthwhile for PvPing now instead of nothing". No the patch is not good enough if you were hoping to eliminate the need to PvE at all. On a side note I don't think that will ever happen so just enjoy the fact that you can unlock weapon upgrades and runes with faction and use your PvE characters to get skills.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

Keep this thread flame-free or I will lock it. Read THX's announcement about whining in the sticky, thank you.

r4yne · Jul 01, 2005, 05:14 PM // 17:14

moan moan moan

Malchiel · Jul 01, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

I'd only beeee toooo happy to see this sort of thread locked. Not like it's the only one :hint: :hint:

toastgodsupreme · Jul 01, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

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Originally Posted by r4yne

moan moan moan

quoted for mother****ing truth

no one said this is permanent, i'm sure anet will be modifying the reward system as they go.

Darkest Dawn · Jul 01, 2005, 05:21 PM // 17:21

The first month or two everything is peachy, then when the honeymoon is over the same "great" game becomes suddenly bad and in need of a big overhaul. Seen this pattern before........

Loviatar · Jul 01, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by toastgodsupreme

quoted for mother****ing truth

no one said this is permanent, i'm sure anet will be modifying the reward system as they go.

they flat out announced that this would be an ongoing project carried out in several small steps.

considering Stumpys brother i think that the pvp (most of them) got close to what they were asking for

lets wait a few weeks as this settles out and watch for any new steps

Porkchop Sandwhiches · Jul 01, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Winds of Blood

If people have so many complaints, then let them keep it. The majority of the players are satisfied ( atleast I think they are. )

They really are. Gaile Gray was in LA the day they did the patch (setting up some in sync dance lines) and people kept gushing over the update. Only one person asked if this would make it more like a grind :P She responded that it wouldn't.

Mormegil · Jul 01, 2005, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Sarus

Unfortunately, if you are a PvPer and you are looking at the patch as a way to avoid PvE entirely then you will be very dissapointed. Anet has basically added grind to PvP potentially allowing you to unlock everything through PvP only. The problem is that the PvP grind is significantly less efficient than the PvE grind.

Mmmm...actually I have a different opinion about that. PvP grind is a a contradiction in words, since PvP should be fun, but I'll skip that. I usually manage to get 2000+ faction points in 2 hours or so by GvG, with a pretty average Guild (ranked 100-150). I'm sure Idiot Savants could do a whole lot better

. While I wouldn't suggest the PvP way to get simple skills, I would in case of Elite Skills where the boss is quite difficult to find, a couple of superior runes and some maxed mods for weapons. They didn't eliminate the grind completely, but PvPers will now have a easy time in getting sup vigors, useful mods, and Elite skills that were a pain to get.

r4yne · Jul 01, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41

People forget the essential truth. This is a role playing game... Pve and pvp are role playing simple as.

Cap'n Hoek · Jul 01, 2005, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Some advice for the OP: keep playing the game how you were, and guess what?

You'll get to unlock some stuff.

Amazingly good, no?!?!

Red Locust · Jul 01, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

People forget that grind is doing hard monotonous routine work in order to get something. PvE farming was grind. Playing PvP is not grind. If you find PvP to be monotonous routine work, then don't play this game, it's not for you. Else, don't complain about it. They simply introduced PvP rewards where before there weren't any. They reduced the required grind by a LOT (now people don't need to farm for weeks to get a +30hp hale staff head), yet we see, more than ever, people complainnig about grind this and grind that.